Google Wave = SMB CRM
I recently wrote an article in response to Jeremiah Owyang’s talk at the Twitter Conference where he discussed Twitter as a potential CRM solution. If you are interested in my thoughts, and Jeremiah’s response, feel free to read the article on this blog.
I was lucky enough to discuss this topic with many people, and often times the conversation came back to Google Wave. Where does it fit in the grand scheme of things? Many people are discussing Wave as a potential SharePoint killer, which I view as unlikely. In my view Wave is a potentially strong solution in the SMB CRM marketplace. Note that I have not yet received access to the Wave Sandbox, this is based upon what I have read. I will write more about Wave once Google provides access.
Some of you will correctly note that SMB customers can benefit from a “full” CRM solution. You are right. However, many cannot afford to purchase, setup, maintain, or administer a full solution and they are still leveraging solutions like Microsoft Outlook, Excel spreadsheets, etc.. Wave will be a major step up for these users.
Here are some key aspects of a CRM solution and the reasons why Google Wave should eventually be considered by SMB users looking for a CRM solution:
- Secure communication. Communications between users will only be visible to those users (unlike Twitter where you can monitor nearly all conversations).
- CRM systems should maintain all data related to your conversations, this includes e-mail attachments and other files associated with your business. Wave will clearly support file storage and the file sharing capabilities could potentially enable rich social collaboration scenarios.
- The CRM system must maintain detailed customer information such as products purchased, key contacts, etc. Wave should provide rich contact management but I am doubtful that it will provide the ability to store the necessary customer information out of the box. However, if Wave delivers on the promise of extensibility it will be easy to store the missing pieces.
- Detailed reports by customer, by end-user, by region, within given product sets, etc.., must be easy to access so that management can determine support costs, the at risk nature of certain customers, up-sell opportunities, etc.. This is another area where the extensibility of Wave will come into play.
- Various levels of permissions for end-users and support staff.
- This is my one area of concern with Google Wave. While shared accounts could work within the SMB space I am hopeful to see the ability to create additional accounts with basic folder level permissions. If it can meet this low bar, or go further, I will be very impressed.
- The ability to model business processes. Google has promised to open source Wave. If it delivers on this promise then Wave could become infinitely extensible.
- Google Wave will deliver a robust search interface. A CRM system is only useful if you can find the data being put into it. Wave will have no problem meeting this need.
While it is too early to know if Google Wave will meet it’s full potential, I hope this has given you some food for thought. Let me know what you think.
John

Thanks for your insight.
I saw the huge value in having unified communications integrated with Google Apps – my small company already uses Google Apps and Zoho.
However, Wave combined with open APIs for third party development blows the door wide open for both little SMBs like us and the big boys alike.
Imagine the reach Google will have offering 3rd party extensions for both mobile and PC based browsers to its large base of Google Apps users. Allowing them to develop their own customer-centric extensions, and selling them on the Wave/Android Market store to other Wave customers.
ML
July 22, 2009
Thanks for the feedback Marc. What do you think of Zoho, I have heard good things but never tried it out.
JOhn
John Moore
July 22, 2009
The possibilities here are endless, some food for thought:
1. If Google Wave incorporates Google maps and your drivers / mobile sales team have smartphones with Google Latitude enabled, you can pull up a map and see where all your guys are relative to the customer map.
2. You can click and talk to anyone in the field if Google Talk is integrated.
3. Tech support – will there be some form of desktop sharing? Google doesn’t have any product that resembles PC anywhere or LogMeIn but I am guessing someone could write an app like this that integrates in to Google Wave.
4. There are about a million other apps that could be useful, I hope someone will pick up the glove and write a Google CRM Wave for “the rest of us”.
The big question for me is what data structure you would have for customers, leads, will Wave be able to let you differentiate between internal company communications / workspaces and external / customer workspaces and what information is visible to who.
Here’s hoping…
Gman
June 19, 2009
Some of the integration points you mention should clearly be available (e.g. Google Talk). Items like Logmein, which is a great point as well, will likely wait for third parties to provide. However, will be enjoyable watching how this all plays out.
Thanks for joining in.
John
John Moore
June 19, 2009
I got your point, Google Wave is definitely important for CRM, especially in B2B collaboration and inside the company. I know a lot of people use IM as support and collaboration tool today, Google Wave will be a next generation tool. If we compare it with tool like Twitter, of course, twitter is much simpler. While twitter has its limitation for support and complex conversation. However, twitter seems to be perfect for marketing and PR. For me, Wave is more like a combination of Google talk and Google Doc. It will be a very good tool for next generation of CRM.
Wei
June 17, 2009
This has been my view of Wave since I saw the demo and read the docs. I am plotting out a SMB application that uses Wave for a portion of the B2B buyer/seller relationship in a particular vertical. We will either need to build some CRM into our offering or else integrate with already established CRM (like Salesforce, etc.).
Steve
June 13, 2009
I’ve thought some more on this, and I believe that it’s potential is much bigger – bigger than SMB CRM and bigger than my initial, somewhat rash, Sharepoint and Exchange ‘killer’ prediction.
I now believe that Google Wave will herald a new ‘wave’ (groan) of innovative communication applications – free thinking developers will utilise Wave in ways that we have not yet considered. Will this matter? Will this be a key differentiator? I suspect so. Will it have an impact on Exchange and Sharepoint? Yes, but slowly at first as corporate acceptance of Wave will take a looooong time – just look at how email slowly infiltrated corporates.
I believe that Wave has the potential to out-innovate and disrupt a wide variety of applications/industry verticals etc.
Michael Jessopp
June 12, 2009
I think you covered the important components for an SMB’s CRM decision. I am left with two things to further valuate. First, is whether the basic data model (contact/demographic info) will allow lead/opportunity follow-ups, and simple dashboards. Second, is what I could do on my own in the first year vs. the very low cost of entry for Salesforce.com. Certainly, the concept of Wave as CRM is intriguing. Thank you.
Steve Palmer
June 9, 2009
Hi John.
I saw a demo of Google Wave this week and you are right, for some businesses this will do a fairly good job of handling some CRM aspects. When I saw the demo, I was actually thinking the opposite. I wasn’t thinking this would be a good CRM replacement, I was thinking this would be a great complimentary solution to a SaaS/ON Demand CRM offering like Oracle CRM on Demand or SalesForce.com Most customers I talk to about CRM (A lot) need deeper analytic/dashboard capabilities and marketing/service along with traditional contact/doc. mgmt. At any rate, Wave will be a great product, I’m excited to use it!
Mark Barrett
June 4, 2009
Nice article, I look forward to trying Wave once its available. I assume its a web-based solution, although I would prefer an Application based package for my CRM. I currently work for a and use Clarity Software Products, have a look on http://www.clarityfree.com. A single user CRM with Sales Order Processing and Sage Integration for Small Businesses. Lite and Pro versions are also available.
saf ahmed
June 4, 2009
Services like Twitter, Facebook and Google Wave could not be perceived as an alternative to CRM systems. Using them with a CRM software can bring benefit to an organization, but thinking these social platforms as a CRM system is not realistic.
Mehmet Nuri Can
June 4, 2009
I expect Google Wave to complement existing CRM systems, and like many of the posts here, see it more as a UC solution. It can be used as a starting point sure for small companies but eventually, as their needs become more sophisticated I see them migrating to something like Salesforce.com. Because of Salesforce and Google’s relationship, I wouldn’t be surprised if Salesforce comes up with a Google Wave connector within days of Wave’s launch.
jpabellon
June 4, 2009
Interesting ideas John, and very useful comments. I wrote a post as a reply:
http://wave-watch.blogspot.com/2009/06/john-moore-on-google-wave-as-crm.html
Wavewatch
June 3, 2009
I believe CRM SHOULD be a conversation between the organisation and its customers. Too often, it’s little more than an exchange of data. As far as I can tell, Wave offers the richness of conversation that other CRM systems can only dream of.
Mark Richards
June 3, 2009
I see Wave as an exciting connector for disparate UC, CRM, Social Media and other tools used to build and manage relationships. Especially for SMB. LinkedIn+Wave has infinite possibilities, as just one example. Imagine being able to effectively collaborate with various LinkedIn groups and sub-networks (by Geo, by speciality, by company, department, etc.) with a few clicks of the mouse as Wave has demonstrated. It definitely creates some great new opportunities and will drive some really tremendous innovation.
Ronan Vance
June 3, 2009
I was at the rollout at Google I/O. Having built specialized CRM solutions in the past myself, I think developing CRM-oriented bots and extensions using the Wave API would be a natural way to go.
Maggie Leber
June 3, 2009
Thanks Maggie, I appreciate your feedback. -John
John Moore
June 3, 2009
I watched the presentation of Google Wave, and I immediately started to think about how it will fit into CRM. I can easily imagine that you create an Opportunity Wave in connection with a prospect client and then keep track of the entire dialogue about the sales opportunity in a Wave. However, a Google Wave seems to be unstructured by nature, so it will be necessary to have a structured part of a Wave in order to uniformly report on stuff like the status/probability of a sales opportunity etc.
Ole Ronberg
June 3, 2009
I don’t really see this as CRM. While I see people creating modules for it that could mimic certain database features, I can’t imagine (yet) how we would get data out of it, integrate it, etc. in a consistent manner. That could make it costly for SMB’s.
I see these wavelets as something that could be interesting components of communication in more traditional CRM platforms. Maybe that’s because I’m not thinking outside the box. But then again, we can’t have chaos either.
Mike Boysen
June 2, 2009
John, Google Wave looks and sounds exciting…but it doesn’t look like CRM to me eny more than Twitter does. It does look a lot more like a UC app (see MS OCS by way of comparison) and very interesting in that regard. IMO, CRM has sets of, at this point, pretty well defined functionality and data entities/objects that can be grouped into major categories (SFA, Cust Svc, Field Svc, etc) – I don;t see these defined into apps in what I’ve seen so far for Google Wave.
So, Google Wave exciting SMB tool? Yes. SMB CRM? No…
trisynergyllc
June 2, 2009
I agree with this reply…
Wave as a cool tool that might be useful to companies who need CRM? Yes.
Wave as the CRM itself? No.
Wave connected to CRM? Sure. Someday.
Pat Rundall
June 3, 2009
SMBs need ALL the power of an advanced and flexible CRM application. They use many of their applications like additional staff. If Google Wave can offer that great!
Anne Stanton
June 1, 2009
I agree Anne, many SMBs will need full CRM functionality. However, there are a large number of SMBs that do not need, nor can they afford, a full-fledged CRM system. It is unfortunate as the power of the CRM comes from enhancing your business processes, and often the services provided around a CRM roll-out are the key drivers of success.
However, I contend, and I’ll explain why in a few hours, that Wave, in the near future, could be a viable solution for many SMB companies.
I look forward to your comments when I release the post.
Thanks,
John
John Moore
June 1, 2009
Thanks for the comments Pat.
John
John Moore
June 3, 2009