With extensive experience in CRM, business process management, quality assurance, and solutions & innovations management, Prem Kumar Aparanji leads the Social CRM/CRM 2.0 initiatives at Cognizant Technology Solutions. In addition to his deep interests in the social web and the free/libre and open-source technology movement, Prem also writes frequently on rice. On Twitter, where he appears as @prem_k, he’s commonly engaged in — and often leading — conversations using the #scrm hashtag for “social CRM.”
Prem, thanks for taking the time to do this interview.
Q. We frst began chatting on Twitter when you invited me to follow the Social CRM discussions (#scrm), what has motivated your passion for this topic?
John, thank you for taking a risk with me & doing this interview. I am overwhelmed by the recognition that #scrm has got me and I am a bit pleasantly surprised too.
To understand my passion for social CRM, I need to give you a glimpse into how I got into this. It was part destiny, part innate need to get my five minutes of fame.
I have been using IRC, IM, forums, chat rooms, blogs, wikis, social networking sites and other social media & their precursors for more than a decade now since near the end of my college days.
I was lucky enough to have had the opportunity back then since we did not have much internet penetration in India in those days & it was very expensive to get a connection or even use the cyber cafe, if accessible. I was enamored with the fact that I was connecting in real time with some students far away in a country I had only read in Geography called Romania.
Being a geek, I was not exactly a socialite in my college days & was more comfortable with the Internet & the communication possibilities – in this, I am a bit like Brent, but am neither an introvert nor an extrovert. The other aspect that drew me to the net was the ability to publish ones own content. I latched onto geocities pretty early in my Internet days. I was also the first (along with my fellow student) to setup a web site for our college back then.
So together, the ability to communicate across geographies & publish your own content, pushed me deeper into the precursors of the current social media.
After college I joined Cognizant as a fresher & got into Pegasystems, which was positioned as a workflow automation system, especially for call centers, back then. I lived in a new city as a bachelor in my own pad (I was in a hostel in college). So my social circle grew smaller still. However I was getting almost non stop access to computers & if lucky, the net too. At office. So, slowly my time was spent more & more on the net, reading, researching, experimenting and socializing. In fact, I contacted my wife over the net & our initial interactions were over emails.
But even at office the net was not for everybody. When it was made available, it got me into blogging in 2003. But then this was short lived too since websense was applied and the access though now available for all, was restricted to business related sites. I had to wait till my Switzerland stint where I had net connection at home too. When I returned to India in 2004 broadband was making inroads. In mid 2005 I got one at home and got very busy on Orkut that I had joined in 2004 just to be geeky. I had also created a community for Cognizant on a lark. In 2006 college recruits started joining the community & asked a lot of questions that freshers typically ask. These are folks not yet initiated into the corporate world and are unsure of what to expect when they join us. I helped them with whatever information I could provide and counsel them to the best of my knowledge. Over a period of time the community grew and now has over 17500 members, most of them joined as freshers – the talent market for Cognizant. I do not know if this can be considered social CRM, may be social HR?
Then in 2006 our then CKO & current Innovation head, Sukumar, launched our internal blogs that was open & available for each and every employee of Cognizant. This was when I started using enterprise social software. I took a few months to join it but then went on to become a top blogger. I was successful in creating a very lively & thriving community of open source enthusiasts in an organization that was predominantly dependant on proprietary software for its own usage as well as revenues. Siebel or Pega dont come for free now, do they?
I got into CRM & BPM QA, where we defined our own validation & verification processes to suite the requirements of the Siebel & Pega projects. AFAIK, we came with a complete testing life cycle & processes customized for CRM & BPM for the first time in India, and possibly the world too. I built a test & defect management suite built using open source tools and also built some rudimentary social integrations with wikis & forums. This was when I transitioned from a user of enterprise social software to builder of such systems.
By mid of 2007 I had built a stack of social software using open source as well as then recently launched Lotus Connections. But I had problems proving their worth in a CRM or BPM context. We did integrate Siebel with Lotus Connections, but we did not have compelling business case. That was when my quest from a business perspective for use of social technologies in CRM.
In early 2008 when I joined Twitter, I had know idea what I was gettign into. This was yet another social technology that was the hype and I had to try it out. I slowly realised that other people were also discussing about social media in the business perspective and started following a lot of social media mavens and that is how I found Brent. Then I got to know the rest over a period of time, Paul, Graham, Mitch, Jesus, etc. Brent in the meantime has created the #scrm hashtag to just collate his social CRM related tweets. I intuitively started using it & tried to get others to use that hashtag when they tweeted about social CRM. I had many doubts since I had been listening to only the social media marketing type of folks, mostly the agency people. And when I asked my doubts on #scrm they would lead to many insigfhtful discussions between the gurus! I learnt & correlated with my own experiences in both CRM as well as social technologies and my own ideas about their integration. And the rest of the story is known to you.
The number of people just grew & somewhere in June or July it reached a tipping point and now its got very popular for social CRM aficionados. And since most of the folks were initiated into it by me, am fondly remembered & I am thankful to you all for remembering me.
So as you can see there was no one reason to motivate me to be passionate about social CRM in general or #scrm in particular. Good Karma you could say.
Q. How do you see Social CRM evolving in the next 3 – 5 years?
Crystal gazing? I have never done that, but always wanted to for the fun. So I will try, but dont hold me against it if I am way off! After all the world was supposed to need only 5 computers!
Currently most businesses implement half cooked social media initiatives, ones that are limited in scope and do not fit into the overall business strategy of the organization. I am only considering big businesses here, since I do not have any experience with small businesses. The initiatives are still siloed and are not overarching. But over a period of time I see a more strategic implementation & even the internal organization structure evolving to adopt to the new ways of working. Enterprise 2.0 will happen internally in a disjoint manner in the near term, but eventually it cross paths with the social CRM initiatives and may be after 5 years they will both meld together. Well, that’s at least my wish, if not a prediction.
So I see a death for social CRM as we comprehend it currently. In its place will be something unthinkable currently, but these would remove the boundaries between employees, partners & customers. Everyone would be working collaboratively together, across geographies & timezones.
But do not despair. The investments business make now for social CRM, either for creating a strategy or defining new business processes or organizational change management or the technology implementations, will all be in good stead. Just like the traditional CRM systems are not going out of the window to incorporate social CRM, the future model that will replace social CRM will also leverage the investments made in social CRM as well as the current Enterprise 2.0 technologies.
Q. If you could do anything else with your career, something that is not technology focused, at would it be?
Hmmm … some thing in the food business. Both my mom & wife are excellent cooks. So am sure they would be awesome in running a food business. Who knows it may come to pass as yet. 
Q. If you were to start a food business, what kind of foods would you make?
It would be a not at all hoity-toity restaurant with a cafe, where many people come to socialize as much to eat. May be have a section for some romantic minded folks too. Cuisine would be mostly ethnic Indian, especially south Indian, with some north Indian and easy continental recipes thrown in. It would even have books in there for folks to read. The habit is dying thanks to Orkuts & Facebooks.
Q. When you are not working, what do you like to do to relax?
Books, movies, family. No specific order but I guess my wife will say that this is the order I follow.
Q. Are you interested in sports? What’s your favorite sport? Favorite team?
Not since I went to college. I used to play football, cricket, badminton, roller skating, cycling.
Q. I always ask Peter Thomas about Cricket as I think it’s an interesting sport. Do you follow it at all? If yes, what’s your favorite team?
I used to follow Cricket very passionately until a few years back. In my school days I was a spinner, but very bad with batting or fielding. I had to undergo a nose surgery due to an injury while fielding when I was around 9 years old, guess that put a fear of the deuce ball in me. Currently the T20 version of Cricket (much like what Twitter is to Blogs) has made me watch it a bit again, but that’s because the frenzy is too high to avoid them! Favorite team is easy, India of course.
I don’t follow the County, Ranji or other league matches, so wouldn’t be able to even name such teams.
Q. Have you read any interesting books lately?
I now mostly read SF&F (science fiction and fantasy) and a splattering of business books in between. I finally read the sci-fi classic Dune recently and in business I read Tribes & Tipping Point a month back.